In March, 1948, Hagana and other commanders received lists of neighbourhoods and specific villages in their allotted zones, along with instructions as to how to proceed when removing inhabitants. Much clandestine data-gathering had gone into the compiling of these lists, which also named individuals considered to be likely organisers of protest and unrest. One procedure used was to begin by rounding up 'suspects', or in their absence a sizeable group of male villagers chosen at random. These men were then shot in front of the other villagers. Following this the ransacking of homes would begin, and anyone who protested at this was also killed. Some families, on trying to defend their homes, were barricaded inside and grenades were then thrown in through the windows. The township of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem was treated in such a way by members of the Irgun, whose chief was Menachem Begin. This man, years later, became Israel's prime minister.
Word of the atrocities spread fast, and many thousands began fleeing to the apparent safety of adjacent countries, particularly Jordan and Lebanon. This ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians went on for months, sweeping mostly to the north and south, and Galilean villagers fled across the border into southern Lebanon. But even here they were not safe as the Zionists followed in pursuit. A number of Lebanese townships (some estimate 13) were given similar treatment to those in Palestine, with families being blown up inside their homes. Such a demonstration of force and violence against civilians was in marked contrast to what had befallen the Jews earlier in Europe. There they had been victims, but now they were the aggressors. And now they had their own homeland, albeit one which had been stolen from the rightful owners. Furthermore, they had plans to make it even bigger.
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- 2011-10-31 @ 11:13:49
I've heard an Israeli drone has killed six Palestinians, apparently members of Islamic Jihad. Civilians injured in the attack too. Israel says those killed were intending a rocket attack. There is supposed to be a ceasefire at the moment, and more Palestinian prisoners are due for release. What's the betting this is a sneaky ploy to renege on the rest of the prisoner-exchange?
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- 2011-10-31 @ 15:53:33
peace activists and the opposition in Israel,are trying to get the cease-fire respected on both sides.the egyptians are also working on the other side to get the palestinians to keep the cease-fire.
Oldjimbob,
putting oil on the fire does not contribute to peace...
the prisoners exchange part2 will be respected, i hope you will be honest enough to acknowledge it when it happens.
ThePirate,
now that you are convinced that we all agree with your thesis that israel has no right to exist.
please tell us how you would dismantle jewish palestine (now renamed israel) and return it to its "rightful owners"...
then we can use your program to return australia, new zealand and various other european occupied countries, that are 1000s of miles away from europe.
and maybe anglo-saxon settlers could be rapatriated to their country of origine, starting by the return of 6 counties (renamed Ulster) to the Celtic republic of Ireland.
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- 2011-11-01 @ 12:10:41
Tu quoque arguments are so unattractive.
Describing the means by which a massacre or massacres took place and land and property stolen (and who was behind it) does not logically lead to the conclusion that Israel as a country had no right to exist. It does however suggest that wrongs were done and compensation is due to the victims and their relatives. If there are people alive still enjoying the fruits of these crimes they should be held to account.-
- 2011-11-01 @ 12:22:59
technomist,
i totally agree with you.
i firmly believe that through face to face negotiations, the wrongs of the past must be acknowleged, compensated and a real verdict rendered.palestinians have suffered greatly at the hands of the israelis and from the lies of the other arab countries who used them for their tyranical ends.
ireland and great britain come to mind.-
- 2011-11-01 @ 12:46:06
It is inconsistent to agree with me about the unattractiveness of tu quoque arguments and then to seek to yet again make one.
If you would you like an explanation of what 'tu quoque' means in terms of logicl discussion, may I recommend Informal Logic: A Pragmatic Approach. Walton, Douglas (2008, Cambridge University Press)?
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- 2011-11-01 @ 13:12:28
your point is correct.
it was an emotional reaction on my part to the surprise of finding one, at least one here, who did not promote the total demonization of my country...
my "tu quoque" reactions have been triggered by the hypocritical fallacies banded around here and my indignation at the double standards applied to all things "israel" on this site.
but another Galilean like me, in ancient time, used "tu quoque" also...
"...Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?..."
religion and politics are full of "you too"
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- 2011-11-01 @ 13:42:16
He also endorsed the golden rule: do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Personally, basing political organisation on purely religious lines is not very smart for any society in the long term. Religious ideas are not usually reliant on or susceptable to evidentiary proof or capable of standing up to rigorous rational analysis. Eventually, the forms of social organisation which over-emphasise 'revealed' truth, or assert that the basis of their 'truth' is the endurance or infliction of ritualised or actual 'sacrifice' or 'pain' - of self or others - tend to end up causing intractable social conflicts.-
- 2011-11-01 @ 13:58:32
well...
turning the other cheek for too long is not a solution in the middle east...
so, an eye for an eye is still the accepted form of getting respect in my region, regretable but a fact on the ground. throwing your ambrella has never stopped clouds forming and rain falling.
in israel the head of state is not head of the established "church" and our laws are based on the rule of "precedents" and vestiges of the british rule.
our right wing parties are not the " Church of israel at prayer" and mainly secular but very nationalistic.
remember the main factor in israel: judaism is not a religion. our social conflicts are a consequence of existencialist worries and jews stubborness towards their freedom to be good or bad, secular or believers, democrates or "born again" mad settlers.
as for sacrifices... our culture started 5000 years by putting isaac on the altar of abraham...-
- 2011-11-01 @ 17:05:23
To be honest, what goes on in the Middle East is a matter of supreme indifference to me.
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- 2011-11-02 @ 09:12:40
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- 2012-01-22 @ 17:34:00
I find it interesting ....logic,reason,politics,

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